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January 26, 2025 at 10:29 am #33758
Richard Levett
ModeratorThe back-to-lay strategy is a popular approach in sports trading, particularly on betting exchanges like Betfair. It involves placing a back bet (betting on an outcome to happen) at higher odds and then placing a lay bet (betting on the same outcome not to happen) at lower odds, with the goal of locking in a profit regardless of the final result.
Here’s a breakdown of how it works:
How Back-to-Lay Works
Back Bet:
You identify a selection (e.g., a horse or team) where you expect the odds to drop.
Place a back bet at the current odds.Odds Drop:
If the selection performs well or market sentiment changes, the odds on that selection will decrease.Lay Bet:
Once the odds drop, place a lay bet at the lower odds.Profit Calculation
By laying at lower odds than your original back bet, you can secure a profit.
Example:You back a horse at 10.0 odds with £10:
Potential profit (if the horse wins): £90 (£100 return – £10 stake).Odds drop to 6.0 after strong market support or pre-race buzz.
You lay the same horse at 6.0 for £16.67:
Liability: £83.33 (6.0 odds x £16.67 lay stake – £16.67 lay stake).
If the horse wins:
Back bet wins: £90 profit.
Lay bet loses: £83.33 liability.
Net profit: £6.67.
If the horse loses:
Back bet loses: £10 stake.
Lay bet wins: £16.67 lay stake.
Net profit: £6.67.This ensures a guaranteed profit of £6.67 no matter the outcome.
Key Factors for SuccessMarket Knowledge: Identify selections whose odds are likely to drop (e.g., horses with strong form, a team expected to start strongly, or pre-match rumours).
Timing: The earlier you spot an opportunity, the more room for odds to decrease.
Liquidity: Ensure the market has sufficient liquidity for both back and lay bets.
Patience and Discipline: Wait for favourable odds and avoid chasing losses.Advantages
Low-risk: You can lock in profit before the event finishes.
Versatility: Can be applied to various sports and markets, including football, horse racing, and cricket.Risks to Consider
Odds Might Not Drop: If odds drift higher instead of falling, you may face a loss or require a larger lay stake to break even.
Market Volatility: Fast-moving markets can make it harder to secure your desired odds.
Mistakes in Calculations: Ensure accurate calculations to avoid losses due to mismatched stakes.This strategy is particularly appealing for those seeking steady, low-risk profits rather than relying purely on outcomes.
September 12, 2016 at 10:04 am #4733jacqueline mclean
Participantmondays potential plays
430 bri…2*+4
445 kemp…2+1
450 wor…12*+2*
515 kemp…4*+1
755 wol…4+1September 11, 2016 at 4:06 pm #4720jacqueline mclean
Participantstats to date
mar 22 – apr 2…+32.83
apr 4 – apr 30…-44.77
may 2 – may 28…+41.16
may 30 -july 2…+13.92
july 4 -july 30…+47.90
aug 1- today…+70.76FROM SEPT 2ND
2nd… +11.08
3rd… +14
4th… no betting
5th… -2.40
6th… +7.73
7th… 4.61
8th… +4.29
9th… – .15
10th… +7.80
11th… -1.29p/l 2nd to 11th PLUS 36.45PT
September 11, 2016 at 3:48 pm #4719jacqueline mclean
ParticipantSUNDAYS RESULTS…updated stats to follow
11 240 bat…MINUS 1
9+3 315 bat…MINUS 2
7+5 325 che…MINUS 1
1+2 335 ff…PLUS 5.71
7+4 400 ch…MINUS 2
4+3 410 ff…MINUS 1P/L…-1.29PT
September 11, 2016 at 9:14 am #4709jacqueline mclean
Participantsundays potential plays
11 240 bat
9+3 315 bat
7+5 325 che
1+2 335 ff
7+4 400 ch
4+3 410 ffSeptember 10, 2016 at 9:59 pm #4705jacqueline mclean
Participantthats super roger…i must look into that as life would be much easier…i have friends who use bots and other software on the exchange…one day i hope to rise to this level of technology
September 10, 2016 at 9:41 pm #4703Roger
MemberThanks Jacqueline. I use excel to monitor and fire my bets into Betfair via gruss betting assistant, the betting criteria being set in excel and I have an upper limit of 51 set. For the few we get at these prices I will probably leave it at that for now. Understand now why we had the discrepancy.
September 10, 2016 at 9:29 pm #4701jacqueline mclean
Participanthi dave
glad you made a profit but these are not my tips…they are richards and matts ratings in selected races…with a lot of help from roger it has been ticking over nicely
fingers crossed for more of that
September 10, 2016 at 9:20 pm #4700David Wasley
ParticipantHi Jacqueline
Missed your first few tips but picked them up at 4.40pm onwards. You picked 6 winners in the 11 races left. I was betting very tiny amounts but still made £25 profit!
Thank you!
Dave
September 10, 2016 at 7:50 pm #4697jacqueline mclean
Participanthi roger
i dont back anything over 25 bfsp as have not recorded any winner over that…no doubt it will happen as it nearly did today
also i will avoid races with 25 or more runners
don’t want to add to many filters though as you can miss some nie winners with too many filters
September 10, 2016 at 5:54 pm #4692Roger
MemberHi Jacqueline,
You recorded 14:35 Doncaster – Humidor / Pipers Note…MINUS 1.
Am I missing a filter somewhere as I placed bsp’s on both Humidor and Pipers Note and recorded a MINUS 2.
September 10, 2016 at 3:37 pm #4684jacqueline mclean
ParticipantSATURDAYS RESULTS
14:15 Chester – Sir Billy Wright / Alejandro…MINUS 1
14:35 Doncaster – Humidor / Pipers Note…MINUS 1
15:25 Chester – Tahoo / Harome…MINUS 2
15:55 Chester – Rainbow Rebel / De Veer Cliffs…MINUS 1
16:20 Doncaster – Harbour Master / Khalida…PLUS 3.20
16:25 Bath – Rosie Royale / Ballyfarsoon…PLUS 9.6…STOP BETTING PLUS 7.80 PT ON THE DAY THANX RICHARD AND ROGER
16:30 Chester – Masamah / Come on Dave
16:40 Lingfield – He’s No Saint / King of Spin
16:45 Musselburgh – Soundstrings / Lincoln Rocks
16:50 Doncaster – Banksea / Up in Lights
16:55 Bath – Miss Minuty / British Embassy
17:00 Chester – Hereawl / Blakeney Point
17:15 Lingfield – Inclination / Pretty Bubbles
17:25 Doncaster – Renfrew Street / Moorside
17:55 Musselburgh – Mujaamil / Planetaria
18:00 Doncaster – Gold Trail / Stars over the Sea
18:05 Bath – Cersei / Pine Ridge
18:30 Musselburgh – Introductory / NovalinaSeptember 10, 2016 at 9:39 am #4666jacqueline mclean
ParticipantTHANX ROGER
14:15 Chester – Sir Billy Wright / Alejandro
14:35 Doncaster – Humidor / Pipers Note
15:25 Chester – Tahoo / Harome
15:55 Chester – Rainbow Rebel / De Veer Cliffs
16:20 Doncaster – Harbour Master / Khalida
16:25 Bath – Rosie Royale / Ballyfarsoon
16:30 Chester – Masamah / Come on Dave
16:40 Lingfield – He’s No Saint / King of Spin
16:45 Musselburgh – Soundstrings / Lincoln Rocks
16:50 Doncaster – Banksea / Up in Lights
16:55 Bath – Miss Minuty / British Embassy
17:00 Chester – Hereawl / Blakeney Point
17:15 Lingfield – Inclination / Pretty Bubbles
17:25 Doncaster – Renfrew Street / Moorside
17:55 Musselburgh – Mujaamil / Planetaria
18:00 Doncaster – Gold Trail / Stars over the Sea
18:05 Bath – Cersei / Pine Ridge
18:30 Musselburgh – Introductory / NovalinaSeptember 9, 2016 at 5:44 pm #4647jacqueline mclean
ParticipantFRIDAYS RESULTS
14:40 Chester – Tawny Port / Cullingworth…minus 2
15:05 Doncaster – Wall of Fire / Fabricate…minus 1
15:15 Chester – Viscount Barfield / Gabriel the Tiger…minus 1
15:30 Sandown – Haggie / Shawaahid…minus 1
15:50 Chester – Playful sound / Cote d’Azur…minus 1
16:05 Sandown – Aristocratic / Little Miss Kodi…minus 1
16:40 Sandown – Cloudberry / Postbag…minus 1
17:00 Chester – Chocala / Gabriel King…minus 1
17:15 Sandown – Sennockian / Pure Fantasy…plus 10.9…THIS ONE HIT 200 IN RUNNING…yes i was matched…get in there!!!
17:25 Doncaster – Nuno Tristan / Normandy Barriere…plus 1.95…got caught out here with a late change in price but i take it
17:30 Chester – Ellaal / Character Onesie…minus 2
18:20 Salisbury – Jumping Around / Prufrock…minus 2p/l= minus .15 pt
September 9, 2016 at 9:37 am #4639jacqueline mclean
Participant14:40 Chester – Tawny Port / Cullingworth
15:05 Doncaster – Wall of Fire / Fabricate
15:15 Chester – Viscount Barfield / Gabriel the Tiger
15:30 Sandown – Haggie / Shawaahid
15:50 Chester – Playful sound / Cote d’Azur
16:05 Sandown – Aristocratic / Little Miss Kodi
16:40 Sandown – Cloudberry / Postbag
17:00 Chester – Chocala / Gabriel King
17:15 Sandown – Sennockian / Pure Fantasy
17:25 Doncaster – Nuno Tristan / Normandy Barriere
17:30 Chester – Ellaal / Character Onesie
18:20 Salisbury – Jumping Around / Prufrock -
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